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Because God made everyone different from another, thier bodies will react differently from one another when they decide to have this surgery.
One person may come out of it perfectly fine, and their best friend could have more complications than they had before the surgery.  Another person could end up dying from complications from this surgery.  You never know how YOUR body will react for YOU!
The following are a couple of stories from real people who have had this surgery.  These are their stories.  Please read these before you make any decision one way or another and pray as to whether or not this surgery is right for YOU!
 
This is Barbara's story...
 
Would I Do It Again?
I have been asked “If you could turn back time, would you still have the surgery?”
I am not sure how to answer that question.  I had some very serious co-morbidities. I was losing my vision to a condition called pseudo-tumor cerebri or intercranial hypertension. Basically my body was producing too much spinal fluid. This fluid was putting pressure on my brain, causing headaches, whooshing noises in my ears, and causing my retinas to swell. I have lost some of my peripheral vision. What I have lost will never come back. Eventually I would have lost all of my vision. Psuedo-Tumor Cerebri occurs in morbidly obese females of childbearing years. It does on occasion occur in males but that is rare.
I only have one kidney. I could not take the standard medication for the treatment of the pseudo-tumor as it gave me kidney stones.
My morbid obesity made me a walking time bomb. Diabetes runs long and hard in my biological family. I was not officially diagnosed with diabetes. However, it has been speculated that I did have Type II diabetes prior to my surgery.
I experienced multiple opportune infections. This is a common occurrence in individuals with diabetes. Frequently I experienced skin infections, kidney infections, and ear infections. I reached the point that I couldn’t fight off any infection without being in the hospital on intensive IV therapy. Sometimes it was for an ear infection. I have lost a significant amount of hearing in my left year because of ear infections. These infections were so virulent  that they would spread to my mastoid bone. The fear was it would cross to my brain. I am told I would benefit from a hearing aid. I just haven’t really wanted it .
Sometimes I was hospitalized for a kidney infections that were causing my kidney to fail.  For me, Getting sick meant that I would spend days in the hospital to the tune of thousands of dollars. I lived in constant fear of the common cold. I developed allergies to many of the super-antibiotics that were required to treat my infections.  To this day the slightest amount of pain, or stuffed up nose, or any other bodily oddness throws me into a huge anxiety attack.  In the past it could have literally meant life or death to me. I am trying to learn to relax when I become sick with the cold or flu.
I still get kidney stones. I have had at least three since my surgery.  They do seem to pass on their own. I cannot take calcium because of my pre-disposition to stones. I am post-hysterectomy and not taking calcium is really having some detrimental effects on my body. Not sure what to do about it at this point in time.
My pseudo-tumor is completely gone. My vision has changed some and I have needed glasses for when I am on the computer or reading. That is most likely to old age rather than a disease process.
There were some things about the gastric bypass surgery that I didn’t know. At the time of my surgery there were no Surgical Solutions, or Risk & Benefits Class.  I had done lots of research online and spoken to many patients from around the world. I had heard the pros and cons. I thought I knew what I was getting into. I was wrong!
I had my initial consult on January 8th 2001. I watched a little video and told my surgeon I wanted LAP surgery or not at all.  I had filled out the patient forms and listed my co-morbidities. A short exam was performed. I was not asked to provide any type of medical documentation other than the forms I had filled out. I did not submit any previous medical records at all.
I didn’t see my surgeon again until March 2, 2001. When I saw him  I was being wheeled into the operating room and told the staff that I would like to talk to my physician before my surgery. 
“Have you changed your mind?” I was asked in a rather annoyed tone of voice.
“No, I just wanted to say hi.' I replied feel intimidated.
“Oh, hi.”  I was wheeled into the room.
The morning of my surgery they did blood work. Other than that no tests were ordered. Further, I hadn’t provided any medical documentation regarding my conditions. My insurance approved my surgery based upon my weight of 322 pounds. No one ever asked for medical documentation, nor was I aware it was needed. All my insurance needed was a documented weight and letter of medical necessity. I worked for a company that was headquartered in Europe and administered their on insurance plan. My job was working on programming webpages for Intel on a contract with the company.
My request was approved when I walked into the door of my surgeon’s office. I just needed things finalized by the letter of medical necessity.
There were some things about this surgery that I didn’t know. First of all I didn’t realize that there was a high incidence of renal failure with the gastric bypass, especially in the Laparoscopic approach. No tests were performed to evaluate my kidney pre-operatively. I had no business undergoing the Laparoscopic Gastric Bypass. A much safer approach for me would have been open. My kidney did quirk out for about 12 hours following my surgery.
“I am going to do everything I can to save your kidney.”
“I have only one!” I fearfully replied.
“I know that and I am trying to save it!”
My surgeon did save my kidney. Huge amounts of IV fluid were started. A catheter was put back in and things returned to normal. It scares me to death that I didn’t realize the jeopardy I was in when I underwent the LAP surgery. I had no business having the lap surgery. I should have been informed. However, it all turned out ok, sort of.
I think the lap surgery is a wonderful tool. At the time of my surgery it was a new thing. They had only been doing it about a year. My surgeon told me that he was still learning. I was ok with that as long as I had the LAP performed instead of the open. My concern wasn’t the scar on my belly. My concern was that I am a single mother and couldn’t afford the down time. I had heard online that the LAP approach didn’t produce as drastic amounts of weight loss than the open.
I beg to differ. I have seen studies that show the weight loss is equal. I also beg to differ on that point.  It has been my observation that the LAP approach produces a greater weight loss than the open approach. Patients are instructed in classes, at least in Salt Lake City,  that the surgery is exactly the same. Guess what? It isn’t. Some minor technical differences between the two approaches does exist. 
The creation of the pouch in the lap approach is done on more of a vertical angle. In the open it is more horizontal. I may have this reversed. I need to go back and check my notes on this.  With the way the LAP pouch is cut the anastomosis doesn’t soften as much as it does in the open.
If you learn of someone who is having frequent bouts of vomiting, the need for repeated dilatations of their stomach opening, or vomiting regularly a year or more after their surgery, odds are very high they had the lap surgery. Check it out yourself and ask which approach they had. You will run into the occasional open patient with these problems but they are rare.
I knew at the time of my surgery that if I ate too much that I would throw up. I knew that at some point in time my pouch would mature and I would be able to keep down 6-8 ounces of solid food. Never did I hear anything about horrible problems with bowels. I find it very troubling that the possible complications of the surgery and longterm results are only visited briefly in the pre-surgery education process of most surgeons. Many are afraid that if patients understand the complications they may choose to not have the surgery. If an individual choses to not have the surgery after they have been educated then they do so with a true informed consent.  Weight loss surgery is not like buying a new car. The salesmen ship in this industry needs to be eliminated. This is about health not about some commodity or diet plan you buy off the shelf.
Here I sit typing at my computer almost three years later.  If I eat anything solid I can just count on the fact that within an hour or less I will have violent vomiting attacks. Granted puking my guts out isn’t as gross as it was before the surgery. There is no nasty tasting bile, usually. Sometimes there still is. Vomitting  makes life hell. I am still very  on soft foods. I struggle with energy levels. My weight is within the normal range but I have to be careful. I don’t want it to drop too low. I also have to be careful because the types of food I can eat are very high in carbohydrates and could quickly make me gain if I don’t monitor myself closely.
No one told me that the potential existed that I would spend the rest of my life puking my guts out if I tried to eat solid foods. Things like lettuce, vegetables, meat, the things that are supposed to be good for you I can rarely eat. When I do eat them it is like engaging in masochistic behavior. It is horrible. I cannot describe to you what the past few years have been like.
Last year around this time Colleen Cook founder of BSC took me for a birthday lunch. There we split a tuna fish sandwich. It was an incredible sandwich. It stayed down no problem. Tuna was a new thing with me from that day forward! It didn’t make me puke.  I found that I could keep canned fish down like Tuna and Salmon. Wow was I on a fish kick.  I totally blame Colleen for the resulting problem. Gotta blame someone don’t ya?
I also have Rosceia on my face. It causes a red pigment to my skin among other things. My Rosceia went nuts. My face was suddenly becomming very red for no apparent reason.
I was asleep on the couch when my son came home from work. I wasn’t feeling well.
“Hi Mom.”
“Honey I don’t feel well,” I responded totally exhausted.
My son took one look at me and went into a huge panic. “Mom we have got to get you to the hospital.”
“No, I am just tired.”
“Mom you look like you weigh 322 pounds again!” He was screaming at me at the top of his lungs and took a mirror off the wall. “Look!” I remember dropping the mirror and it shattered all over the floor.
My memory after that is blurred.  I know he practically had to carry me to the car. I just felt so tired I could barely move. I do remember yelling at him to stop driving like a lunatic.
“Shut up mom! I think you are dying!”
I know he carried me into the Emergency Room. We didn’t wait long. In fact I was taken back, hooked up on IV’s , a heart monitor, and a crash cart rolled into the room, and placed on oxygen before they even knew my name. I had to be on steroids for two weeks afterwards. My face had swollen so badly that both of my eyes were black and blue. Why? I had gone into anaphylactic shock from the fish. They figured I only had minutes to live when I arrived at the ER.
I am told I probably always had some type of allergy to fish. However, any tolerance I had to it was lost when I went close to two years without eating it. The red on my face wasn’t Roscecia it was actually an allergic reaction. Way to go Colleen! It isn’t my fault I made it a staple in my diet right up there with cheddar cheese. What a bummer the one meat I can keep down I am violently allergic too. Oh well, it really isn't Colleen's fault.
Today I can’t even undergo an MRI or Cat scan without them drugging me up on medication to prevent a reaction to the iodine in the contrast. Even a small amount makes me very ill.
For almost the first year following my surgery I lived almost exclusively on liquids. At my year mark I was down 170 pounds. I slowly progressed to beans and cheese and soft foods. I have tried to eat more solid foods but have finally decided it was time to stop torturing myself.
The road for me has been rough. I haven’t found this to be  an easy way out at all.  I have had problems with my bowels. Just when I think they are better I find they are all messed up again and I am sick and can barely keep liquids down. Then I have to go through some rather interesting things such as enemas, suppositories, magnesium citrate, etc…just to get them move. My bowels back all the way up to my small intestine. The pain when that happens is horrible. The nausea is unbearable. However, if you want to become rich you may want to invest in Fleet Enema stock. I heard there market value recently went through the roof because I now buy them in boxes of three no fewer than 5 boxes at a time. INVEST NOW!
The social and emotional changes are huge. I recently chose to end a lifelong friendship with my best friend. Since the time of my surgery she has been very rude to me. When I was fat she liked me just fine. Finally one day last week after her telling me off for not dropping what I was doing to come fix her computer as I did in the past, I lost it on her.
I told her I was sick and damn tired of abusive people in my life who liked to use me as their door mat and expected me to be at their beckon call at the drop of the hat. I was tired accomplishing the impossible for them just because they asked. I told her I was completely fed up that everyone expected me to give and give and give but if I dare ask for anything back I was painted as a scum.  I told her our friendship was now over and hung up the phone. I am learning not to give more than I have got to give.
Getting comfortable in one’s own lose skin after surgery isn’t the easy transformation that people anticipate. When I was 322 pounds I was very awkward in the world. A morbidly obese person interacts with the world very differently than a thin one. At this normal weight I am even more awkward than I was at 322 pounds.
I am used to being invisible. People never saw me. Now they acknowledge that I exist. Men flirt with me and open doors. This is in spite of my being and individual that is so unattractive they should put a bag over their head. In the past I was just a hunk of flesh.
Body image issues are very real. When I weighed 322 pounds I would have been thrilled to weigh 222 pounds, then it was 199 pounds, I kept dropping lower and lower. I look in the mirror and I am not sure what I am seeing. Do I look fat? Do I look too thin? Do I look normal?  Gauging your body post-operatively and accepting your appearance afterwards poses many challenges.
The man who has waltzed into my life wants me to gain about 10 pounds so I will look healthy, other than that he says I am drop dead gorgeous and have a great body. He hasn’t seen me with my clothes off, he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
My recent employment adventure really went a long ways to sabotage the accepting of my appearance. I find that sad, especially since I worked for a group of surgeons who really should “GET IT” when it comes to the emotional changes an individual experiences post-operatively. They are clueless and are desirous of staying that way. They just want to do the surgery. I guess I had some high expectations for the support I would recieve and the understanding I would get from my medical follow-up. I should have asked more questions to make sure I was getting what I was hoping for.
One of the surgeons presented a study at the Recent ASBS convention. He reported that he had one individual that he “knew about” commit suicide. One of the leading psychologists from ASBS confronted him about that in a question and answer session. She asked him what he was going to do to prevent those types of things in the future.
”Oh, we just refer them out!”
 Now I ask you how many psychologists do you know who totally understand the inside and out of weight loss surgery, the emotional and social adjustments that the patient has to go through etc? Not many. Few have seen rapid weight loss and the rapid transformation the surgery brings.  There are those who are trying to understand. If the surgeon isn’t even willing to educate himself, and entertain innovative ideas about support and education how can they expect to help their patients? They can’t.
I have talked to numerous individuals who are reporting extreme depression, suicidal ideation, increased anxiety, etc. They don't understand why they feel the way they do. They should be feeling wonderful! After all, they are finally thin. Unfortunately, the changes are very hard. Much support and education is needed to help make the adjustment. 
Would I do it again if I could turn back time, knowing what I know now? I am not sure.
If someone came to me and offered a reversal of my surgery would I allow it? I am not sure. I might.  I do know my quality of life would be poor without the surgery. It is poor now.  It is just a trade off.  I traded my old set of problems for new ones. Which is worse? I am not sure.
I do know that I would do things very differently. I would ask more questions. My surgeon wouldn’t get away with “Oh hi” and away we go. I am not a hunk of meat in a meat packing assembly line. I had questions about my personal health and how it related to the surgery. I allowed those questions to go unanswered.
I would want to make sure there was support and education available to me. I would want it from people who did understand all the issues and would be willing to take the time to help me solve problems as they occur or at the very least listen.
I know I wouldn’t choose the same surgeon or any of his partners. They may be good at doing the surgery but really have no skill when it comes to post-operative support or education. Those things are so critical. I would make myself informed about health issues and the types of postoperative services that were being offered. I assure you I would do something different than just go through with the surgery blindly.
Choose wisely. Don’t go with what is the cheapest. Make sure you understand all the issues and how they will affect you as a human being not just your digestive tract. This is a big surgery, it has a major impact on your health. Invest your dollars wisely.

Here's another story from another lady who had this surgery and her story...

 

The following is a post from Carol A, from the
Graduate-OSSG@yahoogroups.com board.

"I think a member or two might have gingerly mentioned not too long ago that there is a problem that sometimes happens with our surgeries that few docs acknowledge, and seldom advise of as a possible occurrence.

I think it is now time to come out of the closet and shine a bright light on this dirty little secret. Last week I flew to Seattle for an endoscopy and consult with Dr. Ki Oh bcuz I have NEVER felt much restriction from my pouch. I have been SO frustrated when others talk about being absolutely stuffed on 3
bites of something. I have not been stuffed on even 10 times that much. My first solid (soft) food meal was 12 oz (some are supposed to eat only 1 oz; my doc said 4 oz) and I COULD have eaten more--I was not full, or even satisfied. I stopped eating bcuz I knew I wasn't supposed to be able to eat that much.

My surgeon turned a deaf ear to my complaints and pleas. He didn't exactly say it was "all in my head." Members of support groups, both online and in person did, tho, intimate that it had to be "head hunger." And that was both hurtful and discouraging. I have spent the better part of the past year and a half
believing that I am no better now than I was pre-op: unable to control the cravings and eating more than I should. And hating myself and my failure quite thoroughly.

Well, guess what? The scope showed my stoma is 3 times the size it should be. Therefore pretty much rendering my pouch non-functional. Nothing wrong with the POUCH: it's still just 15 cc. But the stoma is too wide and doesn't keep the food in the pouch. It just pours right thru into my intestine; hence, no
fullness, no satiety, and the urge to keep eating and eating and eating.

Becuz the stoma has a tendency to relax/stretch somewhat over time of its own accord, it is extremely important that the bariatric surgeon make it as small as possible. In Dr. Oh's opinion, judging by my stoma size after a little less than 2 years, it was probably made a bit too large in the first place. The rest of the bad news is that the anastomosis is so close to my esophagus that there is absolutely no room to do anything about it: can't move it, or put a silastic ring on it, nothing. I am doomed to be hungry the rest of my life. Am I mad? Try royally PI - - ED ! Am I going to do anything about it? Don't know. Right now, I'm just struggling to accept the facts of life, so to speak. I am relieved that the stoppage of my weight loss is not "all my fault." But I am just devastated that I will probably NEVER be able to get to goal -- at 70 lbs more to go. I can go more distal, which will give me some greater malabsorption, but it won't do a thing about the large stoma or the hunger.

Another misleadig "fact" that was presented by my surgeon prior to my proximal RNY was that the average weight loss is about 70-75% of excess weight. Dr. Oh says that that figure is for patients with DISTAL procedures. The amount for proximals is about 50-55% net loss bcuz of the usual amount of regain.

So, dear friends, let this be a clarion call warning. If you are struggling with slow or stopped weight loss, or regain; if you are constantly hungry; if you have never or have at some point become unable to feel satisfied or full after a meal (a normal meal for a bypass patient)--maybe you should get yourself scoped and see what's going on with "the mechanics" as Michelle calls them. Sometimes something can be done about it. Sometimes, as in my case, not.

And PLEASE pass this info on to any other lists you subscribe to, so the word gets out. I would that not one other person suffers what I have gone thru for so many months, thinking all kinds of terrible things about myself, my lousy willpower, my lack of moral fiber, my character defects, etc etc. If you know
a pre-op considering this surgery, please tell him or her that this is a possible outcome, and that they should query their surgeon closely, in advance, about what size stoma will be made, and where, and what can be done should there be a failure or relaxation or stretching of the stoma. They should know that
if a doc says that would not happen, he's not telling the truth or he's got his head in the sand. And if there are any pre-ops lurking on this list, be warned as well.

I am not saying that I would not have had the surgery had I
known this was a possibility. But I would have CERTAINLY done more and better research, and would have made sure that my surgeon would guarantee that my "mechanics" were constructed in such a way that it would not be impossible to rectify the problem."

Carol A

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU KNOW HAVING THESE PROBLEMS!!!!

 

Also, if there are those out there who have stopped losing weight early in their journey and are eating all the right things, there could be another problem besides an enlarged stoma.  You could have a staple line disruption, which means your staple line has ruptured somehow.  It's not dangerous, but you must go to your surgeon and have him/her x-ray you and see if everything is intact!  This happens a lot more often than people think!

May God bless your journey!

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